Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: 00:00:00.260 00:00:07.730 00:00:14.380 00:00:15.650 00:00:17.820 00:00:20.210 00:00:50.270 Welcome to Bridging Borders, the podcast where we try to bridge the gap between cultures through insightful conversations. Together, we explore diverse topics from to language learning, all the while helping you improve your English skills. productivity Hey, Veronika. Hey, Sam. How's it going? I'm really good, thank you. How are you? Yeah, thank you. Everything is great. Today we have a very interesting question. We're going to be talking about personalities, because recently, Sam and I took this personality test, and we're actually both the same personality type. And that's something that prompted us to talk about this question, what is personality? And can we actually rely on personality tests? Sam, what do you think a personality is? It's a good question and quite a difficult question. I guess a personality is some fundamental or character traits that each individual has. For example, someone might say, I'm , or someone might say, They're . Someone might say, They're competitive, or They're kind. These are all adjectives. I guess each person, if they were to describe themselves or describe someone else, it loosely forms what would be called a personality. core introverted extroverted Useful expressions and words: productivity introverted The Bridging Borders Podcast Episode 3 core extroverted Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:02:17.580 00:03:23.180 Useful expressions and words: mention traits rigid essentially testify Speaker 2: 00:01:24.640 Yes, absolutely. I think it's also important to that your personality is basically this set of relatively stable . It's important to remember that because a lot of people say that, Oh, I'm just this way. I'm the way I am. But in reality, if you really want to, there are certain traits and qualities that you can change. It's possible, but it might be hard because those qualities are relatively stable. Normally, they don't change. So basically, your personality encompasses all of those unique traits and qualities that make you distinct. And usually, it defines how you interact with the world. Yeah, what you just said, Sam. Like you're introverted or extroverted. mention traits Yeah. I read an article recently and it was about changing your personality because, like you said, some people think they are , their personality is rigid or it's fixed. Like you said, people are like, Oh, I'm not like that. This can often hold us back. I can't remember exactly because it wasn't recently. It was a while ago actually, that I read this article, but there were people that wanted to change their personality a little bit, and they could do this by doing habits, , of doing something which goes against their believed fixed personality. So, For example, someone who was, who identified as introverted, who wanted to become more extroverted, they were set tasks to do, like make small talk with a cashier and do things like this. Apparently, if you did these tasks over time, then your personality could change. What do you think about that? rigid essentially Oh, yeah, I can to that. Absolutely. Because in the past, when I was in college, when I was in high school and in college, I was extremely introverted. All of those stereotypes you have about an introverted person, I was that person. I think when I moved to Mexico, I really realized that... Well, I was completely alone, so I was feeling very lonely and I realized that I really have to start making friends or at least those small connections with people, as you just mentioned, like chatting with the security guard in your building, for example. I had to make myself more extroverted because otherwise I would just feel very lonely. Now, for example, the security guard in my building, I know his name and we chat sometimes, even though my Spanish is not perfect. But even right now, I feel this like, this a very interesting feeling when I have to talk to the security guard because even though I like talking to him, he's a great person, but I still feel a little shy. But because deep inside, I know that I'm this very introverted person. However, I still go out, I still try to meet new people. testify Useful expressions and words: security inclination plate interact Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:04:35.750 00:04:50.730 00:06:09.120 00:06:48.390 It's hard for me sometimes. It is. But I know that at the end of the day, it really helps me. It helps me become a part of a larger community or make new friends or just again, talk to my guard because he's amazing. security Yeah, I was really interested once when I went to the pub near my university and one of my best friends from home was visiting me in Leeds, where I went to university. We went to the pub that I always went to, and we were at the bar ordering a beer, and my friend spoke to the guy serving us the beer, and he struck up a conversation with him. And when we sat at the table, my friend I said, I've been coming to this pub for a year, maybe two years, and you have spoke to him more in the first time that you've come to this pub than I have in two years. The most I have spoke to him is, My order, please, and thank you. I don't have that natural to make small talk or to strike up a conversation, for example, but he does. He loves chatting to people. Anybody he meets, he just wants to talk. But for me, it's the complete opposite. It's not that I don't like talking to people. I love talking to people. I talk to people all day for my job. Maybe that's the reason why I don't like talking to people when I'm outside. inclination But, yeah, he loves talking to people just randomly. But my natural mode is just to keep to myself and not to be loud, not to get attention on me. When I go to the gym, for example, I go in my headphones and the most conversation I'll make in the gym is, Can I have that 10 kg , please? And that's it. Some people are very loud. Everyone knows that they're in the gym. They're making a lot of noise. They're speaking to everyone. I'm not like that. I am head down, do the job, get out. plate Yeah. It's really interesting because I'm like this too, but I have a lot of friends and just people in my social circle, my family members, who are like that too, sorry, who are like who are very extroverted and who really like making small talk. I think in those moments, what really helps me is when I spend time with those people, I kinda learn from them. I look at them and I'm like, Wow, I would love to be that person or a little bit more extroverted. I would love to be that way. Sometimes I talk to those people, but usually I just observe them. I observe how they with others, and I try behave similarly because, for example, my boyfriend is actually a very good example because he loves our security guard. He's actually the person who started this relationship. Yes, I'm going to talk a lot about our security guard right now, but he's really an amazing person. The way he interact Useful expressions and words: projections whatsoever identified Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:08:09.800 00:08:45.830 00:10:04.880 00:10:13.620 Every time he would do something nice like that for him, completely for free just because he wanted to. I was just observing this whole thing and I was like, Wow, that's amazing. That's really something that I could maybe do too, because it doesn't require a lot of conversation. Obviously, the person is extremely happy. It makes me feel happy too. That's how I started talking to our security guard more and more. Definitely, when I surround myself with people who are more extroverted, I can learn a lot from them. Yeah. I remember talking to that friend I just mentioned about being introverted or extroverted, and I think I asked him, How do you not care what other people think of you? Because he just from his and his conversations, he just doesn't care at all. He's just happy to just live his life, and it seems like he doesn't think about opinions of others . I was talking to him about that, and, I, the conversation maybe went in the direction of talking about being introverted or extroverted. And when I told him I was introverted, he was really confused. He's like, What? No, you're not. You're so extroverted with me. I'm like, Yeah, but you're one of my best friends, and I feel incredibly comfortable with you. And when I'm with you, it's either it's usually him or me and him, and most of the time, it's me, him, and other other friends. So, it's a completely, I told him when it's in a different situation, when I'm with new people or when I'm in large groups, I'm a very different person. I'm a lot more reserved and quiet. But when I'm with him and with our friends and we're talking about something that interests me, then I may come across as an extroverted person. projections whatsoever But he was very surprised when I as an introvert. So what does it mean to be an introvert for you, Veronica? identified Yes, that's a very interesting question, because I think a lot of people have this idea that if you're an introvert, you don't like people. You never talk to people. You're always in your room doing something. But it's absolutely not true. Yeah, what you said, I think introverted people just like to spend their time with people who they are very comfortable with. For example, their family members, their started this relationship was with just buying food for him. Sometimes he would just go out late at night and my boyfriend was craving, let's say, I don't know, Coke. He would buy Coke for himself and for the security guard. Useful expressions and words: therapy assertive perceive Speaker 2: Speaker 1: 00:11:37.610 00:12:50.920 best friends. And if we have this rapport or this deep bond with a person, we are going to be very extroverted. We're going to feel at ease. We're going to feel completely calm and relaxed. And probably that's why some people might think, Oh, you are actually an extroverted person, Sam, when in reality, this is just your best friend. And that's why you feel completely calm and relaxed and you can talk non-stop because you just feel very comfortable with this person. And it's the same thing for me when I talk to my family, for example. I feel very comfortable around them, and I can... It's not that I can. I do behave like a very extroverted person around them. But when it comes to creating new connections with people, going out there and maybe meeting new people and trying to struck up a conversation with them, yeah, that's when I'm like, Okay, calm down. Everything is okay. Something that you just mentioned, Sam, about what other people will think of you. That's also I think, something that introverted people struggle with a lot because every time I meet new people, I tell them about myself, my life, my job. I don't know, I just feel this like... Feel a little bit, not weird, but this feeling of, Oh, what are they going to think about my job? I really want to see their reaction. I want to hear them say something back. In reality now, growing up, obviously through , reading self-help books, I am trying to change this trait, this personality trait that I have. I know that I have it. I know that I really depend on what other people think of me. But right now, I think that I depend on it less, a lot less. And sometimes people have a weird reaction when I tell them that I'm a YouTuber. It doesn't bother me as much, or it doesn't bother me at all. In the moments when it doesn't me at all, I feel very proud of myself. therapy bother Yeah, that was great. I definitely feel like that as well. I guess in that personality test that we both did, there's a letter at the end, which is A, I think, which means , or T for turbulent. I think we're both T's. I think that means we're perhaps are not so stable or confident in ourselves, and maybe we second-guess ourselves and we over-analyze perhaps things that we've done in the past, and we think, Oh, is that the right thing to do? It often leads to not anxiety, but perhaps overthinking about certain things, especially, kind of, how people us. But one of the reasons that I know that I'm introverted is because when I'm at certain places or events or venues or with certain people, I can get quite tired quite quickly. It's not in the actual event, but it's perhaps the next day. So, For example, if I'm out with a large group of my friends, and it's not my core group of friends, and there's a lot of acquaintances and people I'm not too close with, and it's all day. It's 1:00 PM until 1:00 AM, for example. The next day, I'm like, Okay, I want to relax. assertive perceive bother Useful expressions and words: identify judging Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:14:09.920 00:14:55.250 00:16:18.080 00:16:31.110 00:16:45.000 I want to maybe date myself or just people who I'm closest with and just to recharge my social batteries. That's how I know I'm an introvert. Maybe if I go to a music event or a festival, for example, I'm really drained by the end of those because it's constantly just being in an environment with people. There's no safety of your own comfort of your own bedroom, and you can just shut the door and just be away from people for a few hours. But it's not that I'm shy around people. I'm definitely more shy or reserved around people I just meet or people I'm slightly intimidated by, but it's just my social being in some social situations drains my batteries, while I think other people, they maybe get energy from those situations. Exactly. Yeah. I think a great question to ask yourself here is, when I am feeling very tired, for example, after an day of work, let's say, what do I want to do? Do I want to just spend my evening at home by myself, not really doing a lot of things? Or do I want to go out? Do I want to talk to new people? Do I want to party? And so I think this question really will help you if you're introverted or extroverted. Because if you're more introverted, I think you're probably going to say, No, I just want to stay at home. I had an exhausting day. What you said about going to music festivals also really resonated with me because that's exactly what I feel too. After a music festival, I just want to be by myself in my room. I don't want to go out. I don't want to talk to people, to new people, especially. I wanted to talk a little bit more about the personality test that we did. The personality test that we did is the one by the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. It was very interesting because basically, our personality is called INFJT personality type. exhausting identify So I, the letter I, stands for introverted, the letter N stands for intuitive, the letter F stands for feeling, and the letter J stands for . judging Sure, yeah. , the judging, always makes me feel a bit bad because it sounds like you're a judgmental person, but I don't think it means that. Do you have a short description there of that personality that you can read out? The last bit Yes, I do. And no, yeah, it's very important to remember that judging doesn't mean that you're judgmental. Yeah, when I first saw that, I'm like, No, I'm not a exhausting the last bit Useful expressions and words: freak out qualified future-oriented emphasize Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:18:08.340 00:19:04.400 judgmental person. But no, in reality, J, judging stands for a person who prefers structure and organization. So if you get this letter J in your personality type, don't . It just means that you like to plan ahead. You tend to be very decisive rather than spontaneous, so that's for judging. Well, let's go from the very beginning. So introverted, right? We just talked about that. You gain energy from spending time alone or in small, meaningful interactions. Intuitive. Basically, you prefer to focus on abstract ideas and possibilities rather than on concrete facts and details. Because of that, you're often future-oriented, and you enjoy contemplating the deeper meaning of things. That I wanted to ask you, Sam, because that was very interesting for me when I read that, because it was like, Wait, how can I be both judging I prefer structure and organization, and intuitive. What do you think about that? freak out Yeah, I don't know if I'm to answer that question because I have no idea. But I don't know, when I think of myself, I study politics at university, so I think my interest in politics maybe comes from that intuition and that big picture thinking and maybe thinking of abstract ideas. I'm really bad at... Well, I've told myself I'm really bad at doing practical things. This was made apparent when I went camping with a few of my friends last year, and we tried to put a tent up, and I was awful at it. I said, I'm an academic. This is not my forte. I'm better at thinking about how to put the tent up rather than actually doing it. I think that's the reason why I'm interested in politics and perhaps other things to do with humanities and social subjects, is I like to think about ideas and abstract things rather than doing things with my hands and being practical. qualified Okay. Yeah, that's very interesting. Yeah. So thank you for this, because I think your interpretation of this really helped me understand a little bit better, too, because first I was like, How can I be the person who is more and a person who enjoys like contemplating the bigger picture? At the same time, I prefer structure. But now I get it, and I feel like that definitely... I think it can definitely describe me. Well, I took the test. That's my personality type too. And one more thing, one more letter that we had there was the letter F for feeling. And that is very, very true for me because basically you often make decisions based on your feelings and your values. You empathy and you also consider the impact of your actions on others. So usually those people are very compassionate and sensitive. I feel like this part is very true for me because when I interact with people, I always think about, Oh, what if I say this, how are they going to react? If I say that, are they going to be upset? Yeah. future-oriented emphasize Useful expressions and words: gut feeling self-doubt Speaker 1: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:20:20.030 00:21:29.780 00:22:35.850 This is the weirdest one for me and the one that I've I found difficult accepting. I think when I've done some research online, a lot of people who have the same personality type as us find this a bit weird because for myself, and you just mentioned that you were thinking about how that made you feel, and a lot of people who are INFJs, they tend to think a lot and perhaps they about things like we've discussed earlier in this episode. And when I was speaking to a therapist in 2020, they said that I'm a bit top-heavy in the sense that I don't do too much feeling in the sense that I maybe have a lot of feelings and emotions, and I think through things instead. And when I do make decisions, it's a lot of thinking rather than feeling. But when I have made big decisions of, Oh, why should I move to Madrid? Why should I move to Valencia? It was just of this . I didn't do any research on what's in Valencia, for example, or what's it like there? Or the cost of living? Or is it a good place to teach English? overthink shut off gut feeling I just had this idea and I just went with it. So I guess that's one of the reasons why I'm on the feeling side. And another one is I'm quite sensitive, so my feelings can be hurt quite easily, which is not good. I definitely have adopted this from my mom because she's quite a sensitive person as well, so is my sister, actually. And if something happens, I can quite easily get upset by it or not angry. I'm not really an angry person, but I can get upset by something. And if I'm watching a film or a TV show and something, horrible is happening in the film or the TV show, I feel like, I'm there with the character. And I can cry quite easily now at a TV show or a film. Maybe when I was younger, I maybe didn't let myself do that, but now I'll quite easily do that. So I think that's why, even though I think a lot, I'm definitely on the F side because I can not understand or recognize what people are feeling. So I'm quite , but I'm also incredibly sensitive as well. empathetic Yeah. The same thing happens to me too, when I watch something. I also feel like it's because when I'm feeling something, I start thinking about it too. So it's like this constant loop of, Oh, I'm feeling all those emotions, and I start thinking, overthinking all of those emotions instead of just letting them go. Oh, I have those emotions. It's fine. Let them go. Just observe and let them go. That's why meditation really helps me and therapy too. But usually, sometimes I notice myself like being stuck in this loop of feeling and thinking, feeling and thinking, feeling and thinking, and then it just explodes. Then I just explode. And I like, When I explode, yes, I'm the same person. I don't get angry. I just get extremely sad. Just sad and stressed, I guess. Just like everything is not going the way I want it to be going. I start feeling the . I start feeling . self-doubt self-conscious overthink shut off empathetic self-conscious Useful expressions and words: culprit effortless deep bond diet Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 2: 00:23:42.960 00:24:31.800 00:25:51.280 But now I know that the is this constant loop, feeling and thinking. culprit I mentioned that I had a similar personality trait to my mom, and that's been quite sensitive. I would definitely say my younger sister is more like my mom in the sense that she's a really warm person, and she's really good. My sister and my mom are really good with people. They're what in English we say people. They're like a people person. Well, people people, I guess, if there's two of them, but they are really good at communicating with people. They find it very smooth and . But perhaps for me and my dad, even though we can hold conversations and talk to people, it doesn't come as naturally. I would definitely say that I've got a more similar personality to my dad, and my sister is more like my mom. Do you see any similarities between you and your parents? effortless Absolutely, yeah. I'm very similar to my dad. I think that's why growing up, I had a very deep bond with my dad. I had a with my mom too, but there were just a lot of things that my dad just understood. I think there was all the nerdy aspects of my personality and all the overthinking aspects of my personality, they all come from my dad, absolutely., I think also my dad has this character trait that he loves to question everything. Sometimes obviously people don't want to talk to you about that. So, for example, if you're in a social setting, you're interacting with people, and he's always that person who is constantly asking why? Why? Why? Why? I think because of him, I became this type of person too. Obviously, now growing up, I understand that sometimes you just have to stay quiet and not ask questions. But for example, a few days ago, I went out with my friends and there was a new person who I never met before, and he was on a keto and we were all eating. He was like, Oh, I can't eat this. I can't eat that because I'm on a keto diet. deep bond diet Obviously, I was like, Why? Because there are moments when I try to obviously stop myself, but I felt like he was open to talking about it. That's why I went ahead and I was like, Why? Why did you decide to make this choice? What about this? What about that? I'm definitely always the person who likes to dig deeper. After our conversation, after I talked to that guy, I came back home. I started researching more things about keto diet. Even though I already knew quite a lot of things about the keto diet, but still I was like, Okay, he said this. This is interesting. Let me learn more about this thing. This, I guess, quality of trying to dig very deep. It's definitely something that I share with my dad. Useful expressions and words: annoying frustrating tendency Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:26:37.380 00:26:49.640 00:27:37.650 00:28:33.070 Would you say you're a confrontational person? Or perhaps if someone says something you don't agree with, you're quite happy to challenge them or maybe ask why? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I like challenging people. If again, but I think now growing up, I understand that sometimes some people don't want to be challenged, or that's not the right time to challenge them. I understand that. Sometimes I stay quiet, I don't challenge them, but I really, really like it. If I can ask more question, if I can challenge them, and also if other people can challenge me, it doesn't mean that, no, I can't be challenged. You cannot challenge me. Absolutely not. I like when people challenge me and when they ask me deeper questions, more questions, Why did you decide to do this? What about this? And that. I think that's probably one thing that really gives me a lot of energy. Sure. Yeah, I'm definitely like that. And I have to hold myself back because sometimes I recognize, Okay, I'm doing it a little bit too much now, and I can see why that would be quite and . I guess with some things, especially politics, because I study politics at university, and I'm interested in it, when I hear someone in public, for example, talking about it, for example, as in the sauna recently, and I hear someone complaining about something, and in my brain, I'm like, I really want to say something right now. And I'm like, Can I be bothered to get into this conversation in a sauna of a random person that I don't know? With the people I'm closest with, I feel more comfortable to perhaps challenge someone on some things. But yeah, you have to save it for the right moments, and also you can't do it too often, but I really do have a to do that, and I would like to do it less. annoying frustrating tendency Yeah. It's exactly the same thing that I experienced too. Yeah. I hear someone complain about something, and I think that's even worse. When you hear someone talk to someone else, they're not even talking to you, but your brain is already trying to come up with all of the things, like how you can help them, how you can fix this. It's exactly the same thing that I experienced too. But sometimes, again, as you just said, you just have to hold yourself back and realize that this person is not even talking to you. They don't want your advice. They don't want your help. Relax. Useful expressions and words: confronting grain of salt stubborn Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:29:07.180 00:29:29.050 00:30:37.320 00:31:34.440 Yeah. Then you replay the conversation in your head afterwards, and you're like, If you did say something, or you're like, I could have said this to them. Then if you do actually do end up , not confronting, but speaking to someone or challenging someone's beliefs, I always replay those conversations in my head and think, Oh, I should have said this. confronting Absolutely. Yeah. I also wanted to mention these two types, personality types that I think people often use. At least some people have used those personality types to refer to me. For example, someone can say, You're so type A, or You're so type B. There are two personality types that I feel like it's also important to know. The first one is type A personality. Basically, if you are type A, if you have this personality, it means that you are very competitive, ambitious, driven, and impatient. Obviously, there are a lot of strength to this personality type and also a lot of weaknesses or things that people have to deal with or work on. When we talk about the type B personality, we have to remember that those people are more friendly and fun loving and charismatic. But at the same time, sometimes they can get very impulsive or easily bored or . So, Sam, do you think you're more type A or type B? self-indulgent I don't know. I've never done a test for this, but I think perhaps type A, but I actually don't know. I think it's important to remember that personality types or testing should be taken with a , and they don't... I don't think they're actually scientific. I'm sure lots of psychologists would be annoyed about that. But I think the only test that actually is accepted by the natural sciences is what is called the Big Five personality test. But I think the one that we've been talking about a lot, the Myers-Briggs one, is probably the most popular one, and I know that they use this in interviews, not interviews, but perhaps at work to see what personality type you are. But I don't really know too much about the type A and type B. I've never really heard too much about the type B because I always hear people say, Oh, that's the type A in me, if that makes sense. grain of salt Exactly. Yeah. Because I feel like this, if you're type A, you are very , like you're a workaholic. It's very easy to make you angry, sometimes maybe you're intolerant. So that's usually why people say, Oh, you're so type A, you're so stubborn, or Why are you so angry? You're so type A. So yeah, usually people use this when they refer to something negative, even though both of those personality stubborn self-indulgent Useful expressions and words: relatively excuses value Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 1: 00:32:08.520 00:32:48.500 00:33:33.690 00:34:45.060 types have a lot of positive characteristics too. Sure, yeah. I guess if you do identify it as whatever personality type you do, then it's quite easy to box yourself in and think, Oh, I'm only behaving like this because I'm this personality type or because I'm like this. We mentioned at the start, your personality is not fixed. It's stable, but it doesn't have to always be the way that you think it has been. It's important to remember not to box yourself in and think, Okay, I'm going to be like this forever, or This is useless because I'm never going to be good at putting up tense because I'm an INFJ or something like that. That's a bit silly. relatively Exactly. Yeah, absolutely. Sometimes people start to box themselves in or use those personality types as . Oh, I don't want to go out because I'm an introvert. But do you want to go out? What are your maybe beliefs and ideas? Maybe you actually want to become more extroverted and meet new people.So yes, it's very important to keep in mind that when we talk about personalities, we are not trying to box ourselves in and create this story for ourselves that we are only this person and we cannot change. Because it's not true, we can. If we want to, if there are certain things we would like to change, it's possible to do so. excuses Yeah, I think it's really useful for learning more a little bit about yourself. And maybe if you do a test and they give you a type or whatever, or maybe you get some results, I think it's important to look at these results critically and maybe look at some things that you agree with and maybe some things you disagree with. Maybe you'll learn something about yourself and you might realize, Oh, yeah, I actually am a little bit like that. And for me, I have gained from doing the Myers-Briggs test and learning about it, or maybe another test and learning about it is just to learn more about myself and recognizing why I do the things I do, or why don't I like some things? So once I actually lent into learning about psychology and personality a bit more, I kinda forgave myself for not having the social energy to always want to do something. And if it is a Friday night and I've had a really busy week at work and I've done lots of teaching, I might be quite socially tired. And in my brain, there's a part of me or I think all my friends have invited me to do something to go out. value And in my brain I think, Oh, I should really do that, or like, That's the cool thing to Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: Speaker 1: Speaker 2: 00:35:08.400 00:36:26.690 00:36:31.800 00:36:51.230 00:37:05.520 do or whatever. But I think from learning more about yourself through maybe psychology or personality, you can forgive yourself. And for me, that's been really useful because I'm like, Oh, I'm socially tired right now, so I'm just going to do what's good for me and rest and relax. Absolutely. Yeah, it's something that I'm also working on right now. A big part of my personality is that I'm not a very patient person, and because I understand that it's a part of my personality and I understand why I'm impatient, it really helps me work on this impatience and be more to myself, as you said, absolutely. Because there are moments when I'm like, Oh, my God, I need it now, or I need something, I need to change something that I can do it right now. I take a step back and I just think about it. I realize that, okay, it's this impatient talking. And there are these things that I could do to change a little bit or to swerve myself into the right direction, because sometimes it's pretty hard. And sometimes I realize that this character trait is really causing me a lot of pain. And I really need to do something about it. And realizing that, okay, it's just a part of my personality, it's fine. I know why I have this, but at the same time, I know that I can change that, is something that's helping me stay more positive in moments when I feel very sad, and I feel like I can't do anything about it. Yeah, I think that's the message to end the episode is to be kind to yourself. Absolutely. I love this message. Yeah. Also, guys, we wanted to remind you that you can download the transcript for this episode. It's absolutely free, and that's something that we do for every single episode we make. Thank you so much to Sam for this conversation, and thank you to every single one of you for listening to us today. Yeah. Thank you, Veronika, and thank you, everyone listening. Bye-bye. Bye. Thank you for joining us on this episode of Bridging Borders. 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